#1 25-02-2009 09:11:26

Gary Donoghue
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Internal League 2009

Hi All

Graeme has now updated the internal league page with a PDF containing the latest standings for the 2009 league. This PDF will be updated at the end of every month to provide a view of current placings - but I will continue to provide occasional updates after league races and races containing lots of Harwich Runners.

If you run a valid race that will contribute to your league standings (you are allowed to run 5 other events during the year as long as they don't clash with other listed league races) then let me know via email and I will then update your score appropriately. An example of this would be if you'd run one of the Bury runs last weekend - for which you would receive 2 points.

Cheers

Gary

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#2 25-02-2009 09:15:53

Graeme
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Re: Internal League 2009

I've asked paul to see if he can find all the race details & get tem on the web, so hopefully the list of races will be complete pretty soon

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#3 08-04-2009 09:43:25

Gary Donoghue
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Re: Internal League 2009

The Internal League standings have now been updated to reflect recent Runners of the Month (aka the kiss of death) and some non-HR points related runs (e.g. Canvey 5) that members have competed in recently . A gap is beginning to open up at the top with Becky currently taking over the lead from Matthew Knowles with 25 points to Matthew's 24. Below them Elspeth Knott and Neil Watts are in joint 3rd with 20 points.

The next league event is the Ipswich Jaffa Friday 5 on the 29th May but if you run any measured course races between now and then, do not forget to let me know so I can add your points to the totals.

Cheers

Gary

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#4 08-04-2009 10:20:09

Carla Holroyd
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Re: Internal League 2009

Don't we get points for running relays - that was the only reason I did them!!

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#5 08-04-2009 11:46:07

Peter Gooding
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Re: Internal League 2009

Sorry Carla, rules, (on the HR web) state races must be 5 miles or over.

I thought you did them because you enjoyed them smile

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#6 08-04-2009 15:48:22

Sarah Bond
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Re: Internal League 2009

Go Becky!!!!!

* dons black and white striped hat *

 

#7 09-04-2009 10:25:59

Mark Rutter
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Re: Internal League 2009

Seems a bit of an anomaly that only additional races of 5 miles or more count in the internal league when
there are two 5k races included in the official list.

Also, disappointed to see that those of us that injured ourselves or lost our soles in the line of duty at the Halstead XC didn't even get any consolation points.

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#8 09-04-2009 14:34:05

Miranda Rayner
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Re: Internal League 2009

Mark Rutter wrote:

Also, disappointed to see that those of us that injured ourselves or lost our soles in the line of duty at the Halstead XC didn't even get any consolation points.

Maybe that should be 'sold our soles'!

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#9 09-04-2009 18:30:46

Becky McCorquodale
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Re: Internal League 2009

Some very good points from Mark there, I think! 2 races in the same weekend over the autumn as well, which could get lively (Discovery 5k and the Wix 5). And no, I'm not pointing this out from a selfish point of view, as I am seriously contemplating an autumn marathon, so may not be doing any of those races if they clash!! tongue

There again....I may change my mind again after Halstead hmm

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#10 09-04-2009 18:38:03

Becky McCorquodale
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Re: Internal League 2009

Sorry.....just read that back and it sounds like a real whinge sad Not my intention, just a point of view. The current system worked very favourably for me last year, the way the races were grouped (no races over the period in the spring when I was on the injury bench wink). Just thought it might be fairer though if the races were spread out equally throughout the year, then if someone is injured, they still get a fair crack of the whip (matron!!) by only missing one or two key races.... smile

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#11 15-04-2009 13:54:09

Gary Donoghue
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Re: Internal League 2009

Hi Mark and Becky

Thanks for your comments. I think we should maybe review the idea of 2 races over the same weekend - I hadn't realised that was the case to be honest (ok, I'll be honest, my jaw dropped when I heard that the Discovery dates had moved this year) and I doubt the committee were aware either. We'll discuss this and get back to you on it.

Sorry about the rules on the XC...but presently you have to finish the race to receive all your points. Maybe one option would be to award a single point for commencing a race with the remainder awarded were you to finish it. This would apply to all races, XCs or otherwise, and would therefore still recognise the runner who turned up and competed, albeit without being able to complete for whatever reason. However, if we were to award a single point for participation then I'd probably want to see the number of points awarded for each of the 5 additional running events raised to 3 points (and not the current 2 points).

An alternative option would be to only award the 'point' in XC events, given their propensity to cause injuries?

What do you think? Let me know. If we can formulate an improvement to these rules then I suggest it is raised as an amendment for consideration at the AGM.

Cheers

Gaz

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#12 15-04-2009 14:04:00

Gary Donoghue
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Re: Internal League 2009

Hi Carla

I think the problem with the relays is that they're not a measured course - albeit that they actually extend beyond 5K typically. That said, my own feeling is that members should be rewarded for participation in an Essex event on behalf of the club - remember that the IL is essentially about encouraging members to participate in HR races. I'd agree that such Vets relays or similar fall into this category. Should we apply similar criteria to other HR team events such as the Essex Way relay? And what do you think the points award should be for participating? Let me know your thoughts on this and I will then discuss on the committee and come back to you all.

Thoughts please. Ta.

Gaz

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#13 15-04-2009 15:08:00

Becky McCorquodale
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Re: Internal League 2009

Sounds like a viable solution to the xc dilemma....awarding a point if you start but have to pull out through injury. As for the relays-how about having a points bonus that you can claim only once for participating in either an Essex champs relay/the Essex Way/Round Norfolk (if we ever manage to get in again!! tongue)? I would say have it so you could gather points for every one of these events, but I appreciate that would disadvantage the spring chickens of the club that are too young to run in the vets events.

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#14 15-04-2009 15:43:29

Gary Donoghue
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Re: Internal League 2009

Hi Becky

Very good point (oops - hehe)- how to reward participation in a Vets event that is closed to some club members. I'm for keeping things simple so I'd suggest that for such events where there were other events only available for Vets - you'd get 2 points for participating in one and 1 point for participating in both. So if you ran in both the Open and the Vets you'd only be able to obtain 3 points max. This would reduce the impact on the IL but still encourage participation.

The Essex Way would be a standard team event, as would RNR (if only!) and for taking part in each of these you'd gain 3 points.

The 5 other events you picked would obtain 3 points each.

PS While we're on the subject of IL scoring (and, boy, are we) do you think the present handicap races skew the league too much based on 2 races/year? i.e you miss these races and you have almost no chance of being at the top of the league? Thoughts on this too?

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#15 15-04-2009 17:10:45

Becky McCorquodale
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Re: Internal League 2009

Don't know about anyone else, but I think it keeps things interesting in the league, giving the new and improving runners a fair chance to get up the table rather than just letting the fastest runners have it all their own way...

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#16 16-04-2009 07:30:29

Gary Donoghue
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Re: Internal League 2009

Ok Becky. Thanks. I just wondered that's all as I've had some comments about the points being weighted too heavily towards these 2 races. Not something that affects me as I rarely run well in them anyway smile To summarise then...

1. Allow 1 point for starting any race. Remaining points for completing.
2. Amend 2 points for the 5 'additional' races to 3 points
3. Team events score as 3 points for each participant (Essex Way, RNR etc.) unless a race that also has a 'Vet' category (e.g. relays). In such cases you get 2 points for participating in one of these events and if you CAN take part in another event (i.e. you're a Vet who also competed in an earlier 'Open' event) you get an additional 1 point (3 points max). If you start and fail to finish you still get your point for each race.

How does this sound?

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#17 21-04-2009 15:38:38

Gary Donoghue
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Re: Internal League 2009

Well? What did you think of these proposed changes? Am I making things un-necessarily complex? My personal view is that it's more important to reward participation than worry unduly about a bit more extra admin - which isn't actually too onerous.

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#18 26-05-2009 22:33:42

Gary Donoghue
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Re: Internal League 2009

Please note that the Ipswich Friday 5 this Friday (29th May) is an Internal League event - based on position. So the following points are up for grabs...

1st male and female 5 points
2nd male and female 4 points
3rd male and female 3 points
all other finishers  2 points

Postal entries are now closed but you can still enter on the day...just bring the form with you, available from the following link...

http://www.ipswichjaffa.org.uk/races/friday5/entry.php

Cheers!

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#19 30-05-2009 08:39:26

Gary Donoghue
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Re: Internal League 2009

Just to advise that the 3 runners who ran in the F&W 1/2 marathon a few weeks ago that was declared null and void due to route difficulties WILL have their IL points (2 points) added to their totals. The committee agreed that Miranda, Kevin B and Martin W were not affected by the problems and thus completed the measured course correctly. Cheers!

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#20 30-05-2009 09:52:42

Peter Gooding
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Re: Internal League 2009

You missed Harvey, Gary, he also ran the half.

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#21 30-05-2009 17:37:15

Peter Gooding
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Re: Internal League 2009

For details of results from the Ipswich Five see separate topic under Road

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#22 06-10-2009 10:41:43

Carla Holroyd
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Re: Internal League 2009

Hi Gary - Just so I get some points I did in fact run in Felixstowe Half on Sunday.  For some reason I was given the extremely strange name of Curly Hulruny and Male over 50!  I may look like a bloke but it really was me!
Thanks.

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#23 28-10-2009 11:06:37

Gary Donoghue
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Re: Internal League 2009

Thanks Carla...I'll make sure. I'm in the process of updating the present IL table ready for the handicap on Sunday. It's still pretty open but I'm not saying anything more as we're so close to the presentation itself!

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#24 29-10-2009 09:39:16

Gary Donoghue
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Re: Internal League 2009

Please note that the Hadleigh 10 will be the last 'official' race to be counted towards this year (2008/2009) IL placings.

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